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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules and these

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rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey first good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantoms and monsters

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the unexplained i'm your host lon

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so tonight witness to a living pterosaur

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author illustrator the biblical

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paranormal researcher jason mclean

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has authored and illustrated numerous

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books including how ufos and bigfoot

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prove the bible is true and metroplex

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monsters he can be found weekly on

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sriu papers and texas front porch

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channels on youtube where he discusses

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cryptozoology ufology forbidden

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archaeology and the paranormal

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richard michela is a paranormal

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investigator intuitive and author from

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morris county new jersey

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he is the owner and team leader of the

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new jersey paranormal project an

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organization he founded back in 2007

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through his years of experience in the

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field he takes a very respectful

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approach to working on all cases he is

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involved with

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having intuitive abilities and

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concentrated on spirit art

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he is always working and studying with

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accomplished mediums and light workers

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richard is an author with beyond the

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free publishing and has released my new

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jersey paranormal project

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spirit voice and soon to be released

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case files of the paranormal

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he brings his readers along on these

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cases and he has investigated and lets

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them feel that they are part of the

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investigation share stories of his

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personal accounts in the paranormal

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the message that resonates in all his

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work is

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on the continuity of life and giving

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spirit a voice

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now amy major is an ordained

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metaphysical minister international

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spirit rescue specialist medium healer

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teacher and published author

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she has been working in the metaphysical

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community for over 22 years her two

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books towards light and light the way

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have gained popularity in the paranormal

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and spiritual worlds leading her to work

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with media groups including cbs tv

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studio

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she is uh the host of spirit rescue talk

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and online show interviewing specialists

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in the field of spirit rescue her

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current projects include her third book

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series showcasing house clearings and

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an international rescue mediumship

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online certification course and more

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amy has been teaching rescue mediumship

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internationally for over a decade and

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will continue her influential work in

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the field of spirit rescue worldwide

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and bernadette mcdaniel joins us tonight

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she is an investigator and researcher at

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fans of monsters 14 research is joining

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us tonight

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uh as my co-host and will be premiering

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uh which will be titled a paranormal

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life which will also be on phantoms and

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monsters raiders will be looking for

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so thank folks thanks for joining me

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pleasure to be here

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so how do i start this out

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uh you know we were having a discussion

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about spirits and what you should call

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them and

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energy and ghosts which i don't like and

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uh you know i know many of us don't like

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an energy of spirit what do you define

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communication a back and forth

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and just record in the fabric of time

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that just plays out like footsteps

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walking up and down a stairway there's

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no intelligence that's coming back

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spirit are totally different things

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um the spirit is intelligence and when

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the different terminology that a lot of

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terminology and then the displacement of

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some of the terms that we're using in

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community we use the word profound

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spirit i'm trying to transition and

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change that into earthbound soul

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because spirit is actually a transition

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soul it's a soul that's actually moved

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into a higher consciousness and is moved

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form of consciousness which is we

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the lower realm the lower fourth

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dimension we would consider that still

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just a fragmented soul

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souls

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placements of of souls in places we

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don't like the word use

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spooky stories we try to keep more

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earthbound spirit earthbound full

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we don't use the boost for resiliency

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scientific form

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residual placement imprint so we

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actually call them energy sources energy

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clusters energy imprints manifested

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thought forms we try to classify them in

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more specified terms according to what

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of the reason why the energy was created

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so we use a lot of different

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terminology people use you know i guess

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i've kind of evolved over time as well

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how about you jason great to have you on

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the show jason uh

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what's your take on this well thanks for

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having me on um yeah i'm i'm kind of

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with richard on this in that um i would

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say a spirit is i prefer the term spirit

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i prefer to work very broadly unless we

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have a lot of definitive evidence to get

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more specific but i would argue that a

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spirit is a non-corporeal intelligence

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like richard wood i agree with that i

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think because we because we do have what

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a lot of people call residual hauntings

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where it does appear like what we we are

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seeing the same thing over and over and

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over again so and uh

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for example homes where

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uh layouts have changed walls have been

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put in or stairs have been moved

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we will see a you know a quote unquote

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ghost go upstairs that no longer exist

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or go through doors that no longer exist

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uh gettysburg there are we see uh

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reenactments apparently of pickett's

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charge so i don't believe that those to

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be spirits i think again very very

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similar to uh to richard i would argue

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they're impressions on space time

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right and what we are seeing is is a

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repeat of

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of those events spirits on the other

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hand i think are non-corporeal

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intelligences um and you could say that

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they're energy beings that's that's fine

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with me uh energy's sort of a

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ambiguous word anyway but i would i

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would definitely define a spirit as

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something that's non-corporeal and

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uh does have intelligence behind it

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how are you

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bernadette i agree with richard as well

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you know like the repeatingness is

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basically you know like you guys said

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but something's intelligence

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i don't classify that as a ghost

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by a spirit or even this is a person

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that's i mean they're intelligent like a

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person they have a conversation with you

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that's basically how i see it

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you know because they're they still

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think they're alive but they're

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obviously not

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so to a point i

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x by them as

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a person

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well you know i i've been involved with

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spirit rescue for a while of course

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amy's been involved with spirit rescue

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for a long time i maybe we've seen

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things differently because of what we

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by what we do we kind of

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mind's eye i guess we see it but we we

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kind of pick there's different ways of

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picking up on the energy and i call it

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energy

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you see or sense

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an energy spirit what do you actually

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see how are you richard what do you see

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what do you sense

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i'm quick boy and i see it in my mind's

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eye it's almost like

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a movie that's playing out i'll see

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these images i'll see the person

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um i'll see things that they did in life

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whether it's trinkets or what like a

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room looked like

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and i'll do my best when i'm at

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the location to kind of sketch the

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person so you'll see

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i'll sketch and then i start writing the

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evidential stuff that i'm getting what i

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mean by that is

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their characteristics a name

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dates things that pertain to that spirit

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that's coming through

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and usually by the end of

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my time there i can hand that over to

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the person that we're investigating for

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or the person that i'm doing a reading

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for

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and my goal is to at least have 80 to 90

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percent of what i wrote around that

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image

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make make sense to that person and

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it's been pretty good it's it's been

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pretty like on like candy when i hand

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this over and dates make sense um

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how i describe their room being or an

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ailment that they had and these are all

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just images that come across my mind's

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eye

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and it's like watching you just a movie

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play out

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right

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if i'm spirit or in a residual energy

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well what i teach my students is

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sometimes you'll be able to come across

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something that may seem very similar to

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a spirit

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and they're not sure if it's more of a

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residual placement they're not sure if

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it's an imprint

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or an energy cluster or something that's

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been left behind so what i do is i teach

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my students see something called the

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echo effect

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and what that does is it's your actually

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projecting your own energy into the

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placement of that energy source and when

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you're doing that you're seeing if it

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responds to you

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if it does respond to you it's more of

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an intelligent source which we call a

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soul or earthbound spirit if it does not

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respond to you when we consider that

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more just an energy source

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a an in

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or a time residual imprint so we know

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that we don't need to we don't need to

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transition

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and we're receiving from both energy

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sources we're receiving time

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images feelings sensations memories

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we're actually communicating

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these spirits as well story of the

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exactly that you know that you know you

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kind of put in a nutshell the same way

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with me

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and by the way your book your your

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original book is the best book i've ever

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read of spirit rescue so i'm just

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letting you know that but you know that

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uh jason what do you sense or see i know

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you do artwork as well

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yeah um i'm i generally feel

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more than than see anything i mean i

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have seen things but again it's those

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things seem to be very situationally

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uh

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it's a sensation i feel

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uh emotions i feel

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uh

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usually intentionality

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yeah and again particularly if we're

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dealing with a with a spirit uh so it's

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it's more about um

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it's it's sort of it is hard to explain

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it's emotion

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that i feel

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right and again the the sensation of uh

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of intentionality also i guess also you

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know that feeling that you're being

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watched right that is some that's

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usually the very first thing so it's

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it's an awareness of a presence and then

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you you feel

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you know the intentionality of of what's

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and bernadette i know i i've started

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working you about on almost a year ago

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now uh because you had originally called

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me about a haunting you had in your home

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and uh you met jennifer and i and

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jennifer and i both

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picked up that you were a beacon and

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that you had abilities

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and

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uh

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it kind of pulled us over and when we

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started working with the

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the um

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with the chicago mothman phenomena and

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those the unseen ones and such

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you and jennifer were really the ones

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that started getting

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in touch with these beings and helping

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us try to figure out what's been going

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on

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so you know and i and i know you do have

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other

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gifts you do pick up on a lot of

404
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different things you're very good at

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that

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sensing things uh how would you describe

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what you see

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i think it's all

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a mix it's very hard because

410
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where i am i can see anything from

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someone as real as

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you know looking at you

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to hearing them just their voice

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to getting images it it all depends it's

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very

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strange like when i like you said when i

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originally called you

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that's what we were hearing in the house

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it sounded like party going on and it

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just it kept getting louder and louder

421
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to the point where i'm like i was

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searching and i didn't

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excuse me see anything or hear anything

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it was very weird it was like it was

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biting me

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and it just i could tell it was there

427
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but it was just like it was blocking me

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for some reason and then

429
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i called you so

430
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yeah

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called us for a reason you know you know

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it's funny how all this

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all this worked out but um

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you know

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jesus said something very interesting

436
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and

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he was talking about

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how we feel

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these energies these spirits

440
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are we all impasse

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what do you think about that richard

442
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i think we all have the the ability to

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some extent some people are more tuned

444
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to it than others

445
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but i i think we all have that ability

446
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to feel i mean we've all walked into

447
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places where you get a gut feeling or

448
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where you have a knowing you know

449
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whether it's a house you walk into or a

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room where an argument has taken place

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um we all have that ability you know

452
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it's what we label it oh you know

453
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you you know you're you're keen to you

454
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know picking up on on on things well

455
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what are those things that you're

456
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picking up on you know i think we all

457
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have the ability it's like learning how

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to play an instrument or you know and

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learning and having mentors and people

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who teach you how to work with energy

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and how to

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advance i i i guess would be the best

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word but i i totally think we all have

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this you know ability it's just how we

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use it and how we

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go about working with it

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how would you amy you think you're an

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unfortunately yes

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i i think everybody to a certain point

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has natural

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ability of impact ability just like

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everybody is technically intuitive it

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depends on whether they really want to

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harness that energy

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empathic ability is actually a

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projection from the solar plexus

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so if people actually have wounds or

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imprints or any type of blocks

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in their solar plexus they will actually

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be less empathic i've known quite a few

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people that have shut down emotionally

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shut down empathically all together

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and i've seen people that have actually

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so emphatic they're so sensitive to

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public spaces they have a hard time

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talking to people they get easily

487
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overwhelmed so i think it all depends on

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the gauging of the empathic ability of

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the person their solar plexus their

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intention behind their empathic

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abilities and and like richard was

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saying how they can be trained to

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properly use their empathic abilities so

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they feel safe

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in a space that may be a little

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overwhelming for them

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uh jason and i know you don't want to

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brought this up so

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[Laughter]

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so so i would actually start off with by

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saying

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one of the things we often sort of

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forget in the entire conversation is

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we are by nature all humans are by

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nature supernatural beings

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at our core

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so

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yes i mean fundamentally we all have a a

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connection to the supernatural because

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that is part of our

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natural

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ability we just we tend not to notice it

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as often because we focus on the

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material right the material is easy to

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see easy to manipulate so most people

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don't recognize

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the the the supernatural nature of our

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existence however

519
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again the feeling of being watched is

520
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such a universal feeling that

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the cia in the dod will they train

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people if you're following someone not

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to look directly at them if you're a

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sniper don't look directly at your

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target until you're ready to pull that

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trigger because

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it you can sense that so i mean the

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simple fact that matters since that's i

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mean people have we can prove that's a

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real phenomena

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everyone

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has as a nature we are supernaturally

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connected

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because we're part of that we are a part

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of that reality whether we'd like to

536
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admit it or not however i do think there

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are people who are um

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naturally more inclined to be you know

539
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more empathic or be more connected to

540
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other aspects of the supernatural

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how about you bernadette do you

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feel do you

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feel emotion from these energies around

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you

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sometimes it depends it really does i

546
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i try not to do it because it overwhelms

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me at times but most of the time yeah

548
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like you were there the one time that i

549
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actually felt it

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so you actually witnessed it firsthand

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so

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yeah

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and i'm the same way i mean because it's

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not

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it's usually gradual but sometimes it's

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just like a sock in the face you know

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it's just really you know

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uh and of course when i've done remote

559
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view work and and involved in my spirit

560
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rescue work

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uh especially if you get a psychic

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00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,480
attack or something yeah and you really

563
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feel it you feel not on the attack but

564
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you feel the emotion

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and uh that can be a bit overwhelming

566
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uh we got a real interesting question in

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here and uh by my nature

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and i i don't even know how to ask this

569
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but i'm going to ask you anyway is

570
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,200
ectoplasm a real aspect of the phenomena

571
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,360
how about a richard

572
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:34,799
these

573
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,320
spiritualist movement in the 18

574
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:40,799
right after the civil war so 1860s to

575
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,799
the early 1900s they would have people

576
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:47,600
that have witnessed this ectoplasma that

577
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,679
comes out of the medium um i've never

578
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,799
seen it but from looking and re reading

579
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,600
all the research and the photographs

580
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,559
that were taken um in that time period

581
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,919
there is

582
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,559
photos of this substance that comes out

583
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,960
of the medium who's

584
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,440
acting as the conduit to spirit so it's

585
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:11,840
really interesting

586
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,870
well ectoplasm is actually invisible

587
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,559
which is why people have a really hard

588
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,120
time seeing it in real time it's

589
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,720
something that is usually seen when

590
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,640
they're when photographs are being taken

591
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:27,760
of it

592
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:30,880
and it is very much real and quite often

593
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,159
physical mediums will have ectoplasma

594
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,640
energy that's emanating from their auric

595
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,799
field and they have to be very careful

596
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,120
with this because the ectoplasm then

597
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,679
will bring will come back in

598
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,200
or it'll

599
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:47,200
displace the production of the

600
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,440
ectoplasma is done being used

601
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,720
they've been known

602
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,080
to bring back love for clips and dust

603
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,360
mites and

604
00:24:03,669 --> 00:23:58,640
of

605
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,679
energy and

606
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,960
they've been able to see it under the

607
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,880
skin they've been able to see if they go

608
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,400
for an x-ray they can see the paper

609
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,880
clips inside the body of the medium who

610
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,039
brought that energy back to them so it's

611
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,880
it's very difficult thing to say yes

612
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
i've seen it because it's it's something

613
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,400
that isn't seen with the naked eye

614
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,440
unless you have certain esp abilities to

615
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,400
be able to see that type of phenomenon

616
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,559
but i i do very much believe in as a

617
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:28,720
spiritualist myself

618
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,240
we have many seances and

619
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,400
boxes where we've used this where we've

620
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,200
actually seen the projection of phase

621
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:39,760
type of mediums and they're using the

622
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,720
plasma energy of the orbital the medium

623
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,840
to be able to do that

624
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,240
yeah yeah well it's not like green slime

625
00:24:50,850 --> 00:24:50,400
you know like they show in the movie so

626
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,860
yeah

627
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,640
[Laughter]

628
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,679
jason

629
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,200
no

630
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,679
exactly well look i mean to a point i

631
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,760
think we all kind of agree on this

632
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,720
because

633
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,000
a lot of

634
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:05,440
of the of the you know

635
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,760
late 1800s early 1900s the photographs

636
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,960
there are some photographs you could

637
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,480
argue something is being observed

638
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,880
however there were known charlatans

639
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,120
right i mean there's always a charlatan

640
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,960
there's always faked images you know it

641
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,159
doesn't matter what field you're in

642
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,000
someone's trying to make a bug

643
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,919
right uh and so there were there were a

644
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,320
lot of noted spiritists who

645
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,720
you know were using uh cotton that they

646
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,200
had uh soaked and things like that to

647
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,919
create this kind of ectoplasm however

648
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,039
that doesn't mean it's not a real

649
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,200
phenomena it's just not often

650
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,440
to amy's point it's not what's usually

651
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,559
depicted in popular media right so i

652
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,880
mean it you know and i think one of the

653
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,520
things we need to remember sometimes on

654
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,679
all of these things is

655
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:51,039
uh because there was a question earlier

656
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,080
about what is the word you know what is

657
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,320
a specter well the problem is

658
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:55,840
we don't really have a lot of agreed

659
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,960
upon ideas yet you know terminology we

660
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,480
haven't really been able to break it

661
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:02,400
down in the way we you would if you know

662
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,360
you know

663
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,559
certain other

664
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,320
more tangible phenomena that can be

665
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,320
observed and repeated in a laboratory

666
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,679
that's not where we are with a lot of

667
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,200
this material so

668
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,960
a lot of these phrases seem to be uh

669
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,960
sort of very vague and ambiguous and

670
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,360
sometimes not helpful but i do agree i

671
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,559
think ectoplasm as an idea

672
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,559
uh is what you're seeing is again sort

673
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,120
of the energy right it's it's that form

674
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,240
it's it's something that's not the

675
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,640
spirit it is something separate but a

676
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,400
lot of what we saw again that sort of

677
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,400
created the idea of the ectoplasm in

678
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,200
popular media a lot of that was hoaxed

679
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,360
um so that's not what it is but i do

680
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,200
think it's a real phenomena but to

681
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,559
andy's point i also don't think you're

682
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:42,480
going to see it with the naked eye

683
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,440
you know i don't think the average

684
00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:44,480
person is going to be walking down the

685
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,080
street be like oh look at that ectoplasm

686
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,120
[Laughter]

687
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:50,880
have you ever seen anything like that or

688
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,149
i have not no

689
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,919
i have not and

690
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,720
i i agree if it i've never seen it but

691
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,760
if it's there it's invisible i've never

692
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,679
seen it

693
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,120
yeah i agree i

694
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,640
me neither i mean i just thought it was

695
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,640
an interesting question so i figured i'd

696
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,039
run it by you

697
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,039
uh vincent wants to know do you think

698
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,279
trauma or near-death experience can open

699
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,880
up abilities

700
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,919
um i will say that i think in some cases

701
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,799
it will open up abilities you know

702
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,679
um

703
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,679
of course we've all heard of people who

704
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,679
come out of a near-death experience and

705
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,720
having

706
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,919
certain abilities that they've shown uh

707
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,440
richard what do you think

708
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,760
yeah i totally think it's possible i

709
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,919
have a friend of mine who

710
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,399
was actually born and she had no

711
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,520
heartbeat and it took about a minute and

712
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,919
they were able to help her and bring you

713
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,399
know the heartbeat back and

714
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,799
she feels that that was

715
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,360
you know the spark that kind of

716
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,080
set center on this um

717
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,640
journey of being a medium and being able

718
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,279
to talk talk to the other side

719
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,840
whether it's the etheric

720
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,200
body that kind of blends as this is

721
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,080
happening or opens up that antenna of

722
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:16,640
energy for that person because you're so

723
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,760
close to death and transferring back

724
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,120
um it's it's it's an interesting uh

725
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,279
topic you know especially like with the

726
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,880
nds

727
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,640
um and

728
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,200
the people that come back that now have

729
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,799
these abilities or they hear or they see

730
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,440
um it's really interesting

731
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,279
especially the work of

732
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,240
dr moody and uh

733
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,760
what he has

734
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,000
pretty much made his life's mission to

735
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,000
tell these people stories and so many of

736
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:50,880
these people have these experiences once

737
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,830
amy have you ever had the experience

738
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,840
working with somebody or

739
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,679
in spirit rescue that has had a

740
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,679
near-death experience and

741
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:06,320
has obtained one of these one of these

742
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:13,669
uh actually i met my husband that way

743
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,960
he had a near-death experience

744
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,520
that really opened him up quite a bit

745
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,640
and uh

746
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,799
he was able to he saw the light he

747
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,960
talked the voices

748
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,039
exactly that making the decision to

749
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,039
either stay or go

750
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,520
and he he decided to stay and ever since

751
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,159
then he was just so obsessed with the

752
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,799
paranormal and the afterlife and trying

753
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,279
to find out more detail about the other

754
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,559
side i've actually asked my guides in

755
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,440
the upside why this actually exists

756
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,760
because so many people are experiencing

757
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,600
i wouldn't say trauma

758
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,600
can do this because trauma can actually

759
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,520
shut some people down so i want people

760
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,760
thinking trauma can it can open you up

761
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,679
it can also shut you down as well the

762
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:59,679
near-death experience i would say is a

763
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:03,200
good 90 to 95 chance of somebody opening

764
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,159
up their

765
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,480
intuitive and mediumship abilities and

766
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,799
the reason i believe my guidance

767
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,039
explained was that when the person is

768
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,360
actually just from the body the reality

769
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,679
of the etheric body into a higher state

770
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,279
of consciousness

771
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,200
when they're doing that they're opening

772
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,559
up higher forms of their chakra system

773
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,200
when they come back into their physical

774
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,480
body through the silver cord of

775
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,679
connection the chakra system remains

776
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,960
open

777
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,039
and because of that they're now more

778
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,760
intuitive and mediumistic whereas before

779
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,080
they may not have been mediums are born

780
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,559
with this extended chakra

781
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,480
open where some people need the

782
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,159
near-death experience to actually

783
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,840
physically have that happen

784
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,520
interesting what do you think jason

785
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,880
um

786
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,120
we're all basically saying often uh this

787
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,679
many of the same things um yeah so again

788
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,880
it's one of the things where you can

789
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,880
trauma and these other and near-death

790
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,039
experiences um activate someone's

791
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,840
abilities again in some cases i think it

792
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,080
does activate them other cases i think

793
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,120
it just

794
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,039
it shocks them into awareness like when

795
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,559
you buy a car

796
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,399
that in you've never seen you don't see

797
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,679
anyone driving them around but you buy

798
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,039
your car with a son you see them

799
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,880
everywhere right

800
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,880
it's more about uh

801
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
so much of our of our lives is about our

802
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,120
own perception of reality more than

803
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,880
reality itself

804
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,279
and so sometimes just realizing

805
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:31,919
something is there will force you to

806
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,399
actually recognize it

807
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,080
right and so most people live their

808
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,279
lives actually either not thinking about

809
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
the supernatural aspect of reality or

810
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,760
ignoring it completely

811
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,600
so sometimes

812
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,840
that trauma shocks them out of their out

813
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,440
of their uh

814
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,960
you know out of their own ignorance and

815
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,120
saying okay i can't i have to at least

816
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,600
address this and once you realize it you

817
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,159
you see it right there's so much of life

818
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,640
that's like that um like once you become

819
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:02,640
aware of of symbology you start

820
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,519
realizing oh hold on it's everywhere and

821
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,200
you start seeing those symbols and how

822
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,080
they're used you're like oh

823
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,880
okay this is where i really live same

824
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
thing

825
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,279
for a lot of people they they're just

826
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,039
able they just live their lives

827
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,600
not paying attention to it and then once

828
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,679
it's happened and they can't deny it now

829
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:23,840
they're actually they're sensing it

830
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,559
they're seeing it it in they accept that

831
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,519
it's a reality and that act you know you

832
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,880
could talk you can call it an activation

833
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,559
i think it's just they stop ignoring it

834
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,640
but some people do

835
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,519
after a traumatic event physical damage

836
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,840
surgeries or a near life a near-death

837
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,960
experience

838
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,120
i do think that they do that you know

839
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,200
there's clearly people who have

840
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,640
greater

841
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,519
or above average uh you know

842
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,080
uh tele you know uh

843
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,269
have you ever known anyone with the

844
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,480
near-death experience bernadette

845
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,600
i i've known a few i mean if you myself

846
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:05,600
included me

847
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,600
my yeah my appendix first when i was 18.

848
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,120
and it was pretty bad and they rushed me

849
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,240
up to the or like i i was in and out of

850
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,519
the consciousness

851
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,720
and when i finally you know i woke up

852
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,279
one table i watched them do the surgery

853
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,519
after they got me back back out

854
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,559
um on the way up to the you know to the

855
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:29,600
or

856
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,120
mom was a nurse so this this was at the

857
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:37,279
foot of my bed and she was dressed

858
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,039
exactly like my mom but she was blonde

859
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,960
she had turned and she stared at me and

860
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,159
she smiled

861
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,640
and when i got to my room and i was more

862
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,399
aware more conscious i said that to my

863
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,640
mom my mom looked at me and she said no

864
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,159
that was the private elevator it was

865
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,279
only me and the surgeon in the elevator

866
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,279
and i said no there was there was a

867
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,279
nurse in the elevator

868
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,440
and she's like no i said what about the

869
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,240
music and she's like there's no music

870
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:07,360
she said it was silent

871
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:08,720
do you think

872
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,280
enhanced your abilities

873
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,159
i do yeah do you i do

874
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,760
yeah

875
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,359
i do interesting

876
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,240
i started seeing more i started feeling

877
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,839
more

878
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,399
i was just always taught as a child

879
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,159
from the first time i had an experience

880
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,560
that we don't speak about it

881
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,919
it's something you don't speak about

882
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,440
it's something you don't tell us about

883
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,879
because they're going to think you're

884
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,280
crazy they're going to think you're odd

885
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,879
so it's better you just you keep it to

886
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:40,399
yourself

887
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,280
you know

888
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,320
but

889
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,800
after that it seemed to pick more and

890
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,000
more

891
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,599
and i would just you know i would still

892
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,520
keep it to myself but i would just be

893
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,560
like okay i i know what i saw this this

894
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,040
happened i know what's happening

895
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,399
so i i think

896
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,839
when you have something like that

897
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,560
whether it's like a car accident or

898
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,560
your panics bursting

899
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,359
it it tends to find something in you

900
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:07,280
like you're right that edge where the

901
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,240
valve

902
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,920
is so thin that

903
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,320
you know you're on both sides so

904
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,839
something is happening to

905
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,599
you okay

906
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,320
uh well here's a question uh from

907
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,599
vincent

908
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,760
what caused the haunting well let me let

909
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,760
me change that a bit what causes a

910
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
malevolent haunting

911
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,640
richard

912
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,800
malevolent haunting uh

913
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,359
it all takes place i mean whatever

914
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:36,800
happens in

915
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,320
that location whether it's traumatic

916
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,359
um if someone's life was lost

917
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,640
i i believe that energy of that event

918
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,680
could just be stored in that space

919
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,480
um

920
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,280
and that's where you could kind of get

921
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,839
like that replay happening that more

922
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:56,960
residual

923
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,720
um but the malevolent of it uh

924
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,640
for something to

925
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,520
you know cause harm to people it could

926
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,440
be something to the extent of someone

927
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,520
really wanting to let their presence be

928
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:11,599
known and that's where they're shaking

929
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,040
your bed or they're swinging open

930
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,440
the cabinets in your kitchen i mean it's

931
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,599
how you perceive it like you you might

932
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,400
say oh they're really trying to like

933
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,640
scare me maybe they're at their wit's

934
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,160
end and they're trying to make their

935
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,400
presence known it's just how we're

936
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:29,920
perceiving it

937
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,880
as the human experiencing it saying

938
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,320
you know they're they're you know

939
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,720
attacking me they're shaking my bed

940
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,160
they're you know

941
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,160
pushing me i mean they're making their

942
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,760
presence down that way so it's our

943
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,640
perception i mean do i feel that

944
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,280
spirit you know this intelligence spirit

945
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,480
would be trying to cause harm

946
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,119
i do believe that when we die you know

947
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599
if you're a bad person you're not going

948
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,760
to be a cherub who's playing you know a

949
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,359
harp on

950
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,160
on the other side so you know you have

951
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,160
these people that did bad things at

952
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,240
these places and if they're on the other

953
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,960
side i feel that their energy

954
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,440
their spirit you know is going to be

955
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,280
pretty much what they were like here you

956
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,079
do have an opportunity to

957
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,440
you know

958
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:20,000
go from the darkness to the light and

959
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,200
evolve

960
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,440
but if you don't want to you could be

961
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:26,400
that miserable bad person on the other

962
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,320
side so it's you know to the extent now

963
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,800
you know that person is still you know

964
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,520
there and it's how we perceive them i

965
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,839
you know think

966
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,720
now amy

967
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,280
i i kind of feel the same way in a way

968
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,040
but i know

969
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,839
with spirit rescue it's all free will

970
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:49,119
if they don't want to go they're not

971
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,880
going to go and uh

972
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,040
if they're malevolent or they have some

973
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,640
kind of issue

974
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,240
and look i don't like using the word

975
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,320
demon i mean i think evil's evil you

976
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:02,839
know i know that i think that

977
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,119
um what causes what do you believe

978
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,520
actually causes the malevolency

979
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,400
and

980
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:12,560
have you been able to ever move any

981
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,270
oh absolutely every time

982
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,960
and it's not just me that's doing the

983
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,640
work and the irritating that's doing the

984
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,240
work with me

985
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,560
any other colleagues that are

986
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,240
uh oh only because i don't like taking

987
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:30,000
no for an answer

988
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,800
really

989
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,950
that

990
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,599
the idea of calling it this means it's

991
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:39,680
in the eye of the beholder

992
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,960
who is actually uh experiencing

993
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,520
behind and you have to look at haunting

994
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,680
going okay well who is the actual

995
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,280
occupant

996
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,280
performing the haunting is it an

997
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,800
earth-bound soul

998
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,520
is it a residual placement imprint is it

999
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,000
an entity it is is it a manifested

1000
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,640
entity so you have to look at root cause

1001
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:03,040
of what's actually there and then you

1002
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,000
look

1003
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,200
in that just afraid of or rather is this

1004
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,359
something that's a true threat because

1005
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,760
it's a completely different scenario

1006
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,079
most people will usually find some type

1007
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,119
of fear-based reaction in any type of

1008
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,520
haunting unless they're just absolutely

1009
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,040
thrilled with the idea of their house

1010
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,720
being haunted which a lot of people are

1011
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:28,790
for that reason

1012
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,160
exactly so i think that it's really

1013
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,000
going to be based on the person who's

1014
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,680
experiencing the haunting that will

1015
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:36,800
determine

1016
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:39,680
whether this is malevolent or not

1017
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,510
entity

1018
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:47,599
is threatening

1019
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,800
somebody in the home or in the business

1020
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,040
this is where we transition from being

1021
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,440
rescue mediums to being clearing

1022
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,920
specialists we go in with the actual

1023
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,839
intention to perform security and

1024
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:01,839
protection the people that are in the

1025
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,440
home we work with specialized higher

1026
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:07,920
form entities on the other side we work

1027
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:10,880
with our guides and angels we also learn

1028
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:14,000
protection techniques energy techniques

1029
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,119
of

1030
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,800
actually clearing these entities out

1031
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,720
banishing them

1032
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,359
in gold and light putting them in spirit

1033
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,079
jail is what i call them and we're able

1034
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,040
to eliminate them from the premises

1035
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,880
if we feel they are threatening but we

1036
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,000
have to be able to make that

1037
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:35,040
determination if they are threatening or

1038
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,240
if they're just something that

1039
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,640
somebody's afraid of because they're

1040
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,880
just not familiar

1041
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,359
with who this spirit is or what this

1042
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,920
spirit is and what the intention behind

1043
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,640
the spirit is once we're able to get

1044
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,119
more information from the spirit most

1045
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,520
people aren't afraid anymore

1046
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,400
so

1047
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,720
occupied in the first

1048
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,280
hour or two doing the energy clearing

1049
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,160
work

1050
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,319
if it is clean we'll go in

1051
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,960
and uh remove it if needed

1052
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,520
absolutely

1053
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:09,200
what do you think jason

1054
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:10,240
um

1055
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,200
again

1056
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,880
there are nuances to this i like how you

1057
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,359
point out you know malevolent

1058
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,359
uh to be honest in most of the

1059
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,640
malevolent entities i've encountered

1060
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:23,119
i don't believe to be of human origin at

1061
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:24,000
all

1062
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,359
uh

1063
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,800
oftentimes they can manifest physically

1064
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,880
so in the

1065
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,560
what i what i found is their teams there

1066
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,040
seems to be at least two or three major

1067
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,800
kinds one is

1068
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,520
it the creature has uh i'll even use the

1069
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,520
word creature on this uh

1070
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
they have a right to be there perhaps

1071
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,359
they were again

1072
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,040
when we talk about spirits or the

1073
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,480
supernatural we're talking about entire

1074
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,359
ecosystems of beings right i think a lot

1075
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,520
of people have this idea that's one kind

1076
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,640
of thing it's ecosystems like saying

1077
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:57,599
mammal

1078
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,240
gambits

1079
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,560
the more powerful ones seem to be they

1080
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,800
have a right to be there and those

1081
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,079
places

1082
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,230
let's say negative people doing negative

1083
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,880
things anyway right so it's it there

1084
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,240
it's it feels like a safe place for

1085
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,560
people to do

1086
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,720
terrible terrible things sometimes

1087
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,400
sometimes though like flies they're

1088
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,920
attracted to

1089
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,400
again areas where they were where things

1090
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,240
are performed but sometimes i think

1091
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,000
they're they are

1092
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,240
it isn't the location it's the person

1093
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,319
that they are that they're targeting

1094
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,359
uh a lot of these negative entities uh

1095
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,880
yeah i have no problem saying the word

1096
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,119
the word demon uh particularly the

1097
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,400
lessers the lesser demons they pro they

1098
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,119
seem to feed off of trauma and pain

1099
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,560
particularly the ones that they that

1100
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,839
they cause

1101
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,800
right

1102
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:56,000
um so they are they are targeting the

1103
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,750
exacerbate usually an existing trauma or

1104
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,880
pain

1105
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,680
in in their they they they sense that

1106
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,000
that vulnerability and they go for it

1107
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,680
and they act they

1108
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,119
honestly a lot of shadow people people

1109
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,520
who suffer from sleep paralysis i think

1110
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,520
are these are the same creatures they've

1111
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,400
there's just a different access point

1112
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,720
you know they'll do whatever they can

1113
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:23,680
to get

1114
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
again sometimes they have the authority

1115
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,720
to be there sometimes they're drawn

1116
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,240
because of our actions and sometimes

1117
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:33,920
they're pre they're just

1118
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,920
predating on our fear and trauma

1119
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:39,200
bernadette have you ever dealt with

1120
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,430
yes i mean it

1121
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,720
yes

1122
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,480
i mean you were there

1123
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,480
during one of those times um i've had

1124
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,280
that in my face actually

1125
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,359
so i mean like jason said there are

1126
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,160
demons that you know tend to feed off

1127
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,960
certain people like that in my family

1128
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,319
you know they just

1129
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:04,240
they can draw something like that and

1130
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,030
um well that that comes up to another

1131
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,960
question and somebody asked about shadow

1132
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,480
people what are your thoughts on those

1133
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,680
what are they

1134
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,599
are they spirit energy or are they

1135
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:20,000
something other than that i believe that

1136
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:21,440
they're

1137
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,520
they

1138
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,680
basically feed on life force what do you

1139
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,960
think richard

1140
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,680
yeah i mean there's been you know

1141
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,280
theories that they're coming in from

1142
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,280
another realm that they couldn't

1143
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,040
possibly the future

1144
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,720
um

1145
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,040
the whole thing to me that they're dark

1146
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,119
and they're like brooding you'd never

1147
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,720
hear of somebody say well that shadow

1148
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,040
person was so friendly you know like

1149
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,560
there's there's like always this

1150
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,400
mystique where they're watching they're

1151
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:51,440
viewing

1152
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,880
um i definitely feel that they're a dark

1153
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,440
energy i i mean i'm not gonna say

1154
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,640
they're demon

1155
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,040
but i i believe that their

1156
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:03,680
vibration is very low i don't know where

1157
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,640
they are actually coming from the future

1158
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,079
i mean they're they're saying a lot of

1159
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,960
them wear like the old top hat and you

1160
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,839
know the overcoat there's a lot of

1161
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,920
sketches of you know that

1162
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,040
um actually on my facebook

1163
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,599
i wish i had the picture um it's about

1164
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,000
two or three weeks ago i'm getting ready

1165
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,599
and i'm going to work

1166
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,640
and my bathroom window is about 30 feet

1167
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,800
off you know the ground that's where we

1168
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,040
park our cars so i'm walking towards my

1169
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,480
bathroom window

1170
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:38,079
perfect

1171
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,400
outline of a person leaning like this

1172
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,599
looking in my window so i snap so i

1173
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,920
snapped a picture of it and i said the

1174
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,760
next few nights i'm gonna see and see

1175
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:51,599
how the lights are casting and see if

1176
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,520
that image is there it never came back

1177
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,319
so

1178
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,119
i said to my you know wife and i i said

1179
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,720
i think there was a shadow person

1180
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,280
outside the bathroom window looking into

1181
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,599
the house because i've never been able

1182
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,000
to capture it again and the next day the

1183
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,079
file you know the next four or five days

1184
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,160
i wasn't able to capture that you know

1185
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,040
image

1186
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,280
um i don't know if they know that you

1187
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,440
know i'm you know sensitive they're

1188
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,520
coming to you know

1189
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,040
the house for that but there's been

1190
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:22,640
weird things that started to happen

1191
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,480
around here um with lights going on so i

1192
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,680
did a little cleansing um some sage and

1193
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:31,359
uh we're

1194
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,230
so

1195
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,319
it's very interesting you know the

1196
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,079
situations i've been involved with with

1197
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,160
these so-called shadow people seems to

1198
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,280
be

1199
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,800
uh where there's uh dysfunction

1200
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,680
or there's some type of distress in a

1201
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,040
family

1202
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,280
you know i've always given the analogy

1203
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,880
that it's like these things are walking

1204
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,800
down the middle of the road

1205
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,480
in a neighborhood

1206
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,400
and they're just looking side to side

1207
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:02,000
which house has the

1208
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:02,800
the

1209
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,790
well it's very difficult to talk about

1210
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,599
shadow people because again it comes

1211
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,119
down to perception

1212
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,800
everybody sees something a little

1213
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,520
different when it comes to shadow forms

1214
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,680
i've actually never seen a shadow form

1215
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,920
myself doing any type of rescue work or

1216
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,920
any clearing but

1217
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,839
i have talked to a lot of people and

1218
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,079
i've tapped into the energy myself to do

1219
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,559
a little analyzing to see exactly what

1220
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,680
this might be and i found sort of a

1221
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,079
conclusion of two different results

1222
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,920
of this first result is it's a

1223
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,160
two-dimensional form

1224
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,839
that has been recently manifested so

1225
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,240
when you take a collective consciousness

1226
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,319
of a whole bunch of people believe in

1227
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,520
the same thing

1228
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,119
this actually creates a manifested form

1229
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,040
because it's shadow

1230
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,000
of exactly it it doesn't have a true

1231
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,160
identity outside of that collective

1232
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,800
consciousness so it molds itself as a

1233
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,559
shape-shifter into whatever the

1234
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,839
collective consciousness is projecting

1235
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,599
you start changing the thought and

1236
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,920
belief system behind that shadow form

1237
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:24,800
the shadow form will now start changing

1238
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,839
and molding into the new identity that's

1239
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,640
created in that collective consciousness

1240
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,520
i also believe shadow forms can be

1241
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,319
manifested and projected from the shadow

1242
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,280
form that you hold within yourself

1243
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,839
we all have a shadow self that's that

1244
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,079
identity that form of who you are that

1245
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,280
you ignore

1246
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,520
you pay no attention to it's sort of

1247
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,440
like the person who's an artist and

1248
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,960
their father wants them to become a

1249
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,760
lawyer and they never get to be able to

1250
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,520
enhance their artistic ability they

1251
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,079
shove that down in the subconscious the

1252
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,800
subconscious becomes very agitated

1253
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,319
regretful it now forms a shadow self

1254
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,400
that holds all of that anger and

1255
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,040
resentment and wants to be heard and

1256
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,000
seen it's a shadow form within everybody

1257
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,319
everybody has a shadow form within them

1258
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,559
i was let me see 95

1259
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,280
not everybody i can't say everyone but i

1260
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,680
will say when you have a shadow form

1261
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,160
that isn't being acknowledged it will

1262
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,319
actually project that around you and

1263
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,119
emanate an image before you that's

1264
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,760
trying to tell you something it's trying

1265
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:33,920
to say pay attention to me this is a

1266
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,800
form of yourself that you're not finding

1267
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,200
resolution with we're going to project

1268
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,040
out around you so you're able to pay

1269
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,960
more attention to it

1270
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,760
so i believe it's all manifested energy

1271
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:48,160
but i've never experienced it so i can't

1272
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:49,200
really

1273
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:52,720
100 let me ask you this emmy um

1274
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,319
is is it very similar

1275
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,680
uh is the shadow being very similar to a

1276
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:01,359
poltergeist which

1277
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,240
is a

1278
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,559
thought-form being

1279
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,559
yes exactly same thing shadow form is an

1280
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,839
actual image projected from the

1281
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,440
subconscious whereas a poltergeist is an

1282
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,160
actual psychokinesis energy that's

1283
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:18,079
emitting from the subconscious that's

1284
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,920
projecting an act movement and flow

1285
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,079
of the subconscious

1286
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,079
right so yes very important it's

1287
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,760
interesting i've never really associated

1288
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,520
the boat together but

1289
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,680
that is an interesting analogy

1290
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,480
uh jason what do you think about that

1291
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,319
yeah let me let me take a slightly

1292
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,800
different uh direction again i've got a

1293
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,720
problem using the word demon as i've

1294
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:42,319
already sort of alluded to i do think a

1295
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,280
lot of

1296
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,119
the shadow person

1297
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,200
phenomena are

1298
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,040
demons that are lower level demons that

1299
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:50,319
are using

1300
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,359
uh again terror and trauma to feed

1301
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,559
however

1302
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,280
uh something we were kind of exploring

1303
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,760
on our channel um is the idea that some

1304
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:00,960
of these

1305
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,559
uh beings may actually be huma uh not

1306
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,319
dead humans not not ghosts or anything

1307
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,119
like that but rather are humans remote

1308
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,240
viewing

1309
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,079
locations and things

1310
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,280
as well

1311
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,520
that they may be yeah that's cheapy he's

1312
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,400
not he's not a shadow person um

1313
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,000
but uh so yeah i i think i think this

1314
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,720
the phenomena is has a lot of different

1315
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,880
forms it takes a lot of different things

1316
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,640
and again this goes back to what amy was

1317
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,400
talking about perception

1318
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,280
the the issue with all

1319
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,359
you know sort of the supernatural

1320
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,720
ethereal

1321
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,680
uh

1322
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,200
beings encounters phenomena is that

1323
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,319
it is very susceptible to our perception

1324
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,079
of it right

1325
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,599
uh and so you know it's not like this

1326
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:50,400
can

1327
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,280
figure out what it's made out of that's

1328
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,040
not really what we can do from an

1329
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,960
objective measure so much of our

1330
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,720
perception so it's

1331
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,559
when it comes to like the shadow people

1332
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,160
in really any of it

1333
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,800
it's we're using names we're using words

1334
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,040
we're using concepts and ideas

1335
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,680
that make sense to us but we may be

1336
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,319
taking multiple phenomena and using the

1337
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,839
same phraseology and the same

1338
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,160
terminology and what we may be

1339
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,559
witnessing is multiple phenomena

1340
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,400
and but we don't really see that see it

1341
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,920
that way because of our ability to

1342
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,119
perceive it

1343
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:28,400
so i think

1344
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,760
with a lot of pretty much all uh you

1345
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,760
know what you could call paranormal i

1346
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,359
think we need to be open to the idea

1347
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,280
that we're we may be seeing multiple

1348
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,960
phenomena but we weren't because we

1349
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:41,040
can't objectively view it and measure it

1350
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,839
and

1351
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,760
categorize it we just may not be

1352
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,680
understanding the differences

1353
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,520
between them

1354
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,680
early have you ever seen a shadow person

1355
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,240
or what you talking about

1356
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,640
i have actually and i was i was about 10

1357
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,880
years old and i didn't even know what

1358
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,480
they were at the time

1359
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,359
and i'd woken up and there was this man

1360
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,680
leaning like the house we had lived in

1361
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,240
time had built in the beds and he was

1362
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,480
leaning into the bunk bed just staring

1363
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,440
at me

1364
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,000
he there's no facial features nothing it

1365
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:14,720
was just he was solid black he had on

1366
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,920
like a fedora type hat i remember that

1367
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,960
and

1368
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,599
thought

1369
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,280
oh like there's

1370
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,200
you know it didn't register at the time

1371
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,280
like there's a man in here

1372
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,119
and then i started the panic and it was

1373
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,520
just like i i got kind of paralyzed and

1374
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,599
i just got very tired and i fell back to

1375
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,880
sleep

1376
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,880
and in the morning i woke up

1377
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,720
i told my mom and i told my grandmother

1378
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,240
and they're like there was no one here

1379
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,200
you had a bad dream it's fine

1380
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,680
and that that bothered me ever since and

1381
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,640
then maybe five years ago i actually saw

1382
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,319
something on the hat man and i'm just

1383
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,920
like looking at the picture i'm like so

1384
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,240
i wasn't crazy like that

1385
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,119
it exists you know but i mean he was so

1386
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,040
solid that if i could have reached out

1387
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,040
like i probably touched him

1388
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:03,280
and he was that close and i

1389
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,589
you know jason brought something up it's

1390
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,880
very interesting and i've heard this

1391
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,640
analogy is before

1392
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:15,119
uh as far as remote viewing where people

1393
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,160
think

1394
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,880
or actually believe that

1395
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,240
um

1396
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,800
they see images of someone do actually

1397
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,640
remote viewing

1398
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,920
uh

1399
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,440
and

1400
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,040
i i don't i don't know it's hard for me

1401
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,960
to i've done remote i've been trained to

1402
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,160
remove you

1403
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,680
um

1404
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,160
i i just never have really heard much

1405
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,440
about that

1406
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,069
i don't know maybe do any

1407
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,200
three or four have a any any uh

1408
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,319
thoughts on remote viewing and actually

1409
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,200
being able to be detected by somebody as

1410
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:52,880
as a name a

1411
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:57,190
okay so

1412
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,079
sorry

1413
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,559
no amy please

1414
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,440
no no remote viewing is really

1415
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,960
your astral form leaving your body a

1416
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,720
fragment of your astral form leaving

1417
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,799
your body and it's been known people

1418
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,400
have actually seen

1419
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,559
apparitions of people walking around

1420
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,960
where they're actually in astral form

1421
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,720
in remote viewing

1422
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,520
so you can actually see them they look

1423
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,000
like a ghost but they're not it's just

1424
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,720
their astral form people remote view all

1425
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,400
the time when they go to bed

1426
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,559
at night they're constantly moving their

1427
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,440
body

1428
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:33,680
so i think that that happens quite a bit

1429
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,119
with the demonic entities though i

1430
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,200
haven't seen them remote view because i

1431
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,520
think there's so many scouts out there

1432
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,599
that are jumping into people and jumping

1433
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:46,240
into tiny crevices of places into dark

1434
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,359
spaces

1435
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,319
and they're actually um communicating on

1436
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,079
a telepathic level

1437
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,079
so the end i don't think the demonic

1438
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:56,079
entities would need to remote view but

1439
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,359
they i absolutely believe that they

1440
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,280
could um because there's just too many

1441
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,720
scouts out there they like they're in

1442
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,200
the millions and so it's kind of like

1443
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,839
they're reporting back to the hierarchy

1444
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,359
of the demonics

1445
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,280
to let them know okay this person's a

1446
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,760
victim this person's susceptible

1447
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,440
and they

1448
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,520
create a line of sight

1449
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,920
to and also imprint

1450
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,960
into individuals so the higher demonic

1451
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,440
entities can come and embed into them i

1452
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,440
do attachment removals and demonic

1453
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,599
entity removals all the time

1454
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,599
i haven't seen any remote viewing from

1455
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,160
them but i think that's a really awesome

1456
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,079
concept i really do and i'm gonna look

1457
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,520
into that

1458
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,720
jason

1459
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:38,000
yeah um

1460
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,040
so

1461
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:41,200
i i have to be careful with certain

1462
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:45,359
phraseologies here um

1463
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,240
some of this comes from our

1464
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,079
conversations with jessica others comes

1465
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,000
with other people that i know who are

1466
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,599
remote viewers again i don't want to

1467
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,920
reveal anything or you know

1468
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,000
we all we all know why right

1469
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,280
um

1470
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:00,880
so yes there are

1471
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,400
there are many many remote viewers have

1472
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,000
particularly the you know some of the

1473
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,640
more officially trained ones uh have

1474
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,319
witnessed other people remote viewing in

1475
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:13,200
fact it becomes sort of an issue right

1476
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,079
particularly when you start talking

1477
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,559
about stuff with like the cia

1478
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,160
but i would like to push a little bit

1479
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,599
further and say we tend to think of

1480
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,359
remote viewers as

1481
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,440
again either people trained by the

1482
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,520
government or we think of it more from

1483
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,119
an official

1484
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,200
position i think we often forget that

1485
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,440
out in the world

1486
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,319
there are cultists who do dark and evil

1487
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,880
things and that in in what we would call

1488
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,640
remote viewing or something very similar

1489
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,599
to it is practiced by some by some of

1490
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:43,280
these occultists

1491
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,079
and

1492
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,680
in this matter

1493
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,720
some of these people do very very evil

1494
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,680
things

1495
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,920
and i would not which is why we would

1496
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,400
gotta serve down this road i would not

1497
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,680
be surprised if a lot of malevolent some

1498
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,040
again shadow people or some of these

1499
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,319
other things

1500
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,720
beings are themselves

1501
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,440
humans who are using this ability either

1502
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,480
to draw power from causing uh trauma or

1503
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,079
just to be there

1504
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,559
with the other demonic entities that are

1505
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,720
feeding off of it to learn or to help

1506
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,480
them or to you know

1507
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,280
go with them um so i mean there is a

1508
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,760
history and again documented cases of

1509
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,680
people witnessing other people

1510
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,240
remote viewing and running across other

1511
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,839
entities as well

1512
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,760
and i think we we often remember we

1513
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,960
often forget

1514
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,040
it to our detriment there is

1515
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,960
a group of people who don't like to talk

1516
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,880
about what they do

1517
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,799
who are who are

1518
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,720
very who are dedicated to obtaining

1519
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,079
power through

1520
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,119
deceptive and evil means and really

1521
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,599
terrible things and i think we need to

1522
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,359
remember that that is that these

1523
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:54,640
abilities and these um techniques are

1524
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:00,470
anybody else have any thoughts on that

1525
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:06,150
i think it's fascinating i i have no

1526
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,200
real thoughts but i think it's

1527
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:09,200
fascinating

1528
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,160
very

1529
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,880
yeah i i you know it's i don't really

1530
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,720
like talking about it a lot

1531
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,040
and i agree with jason many remote

1532
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,079
viewers do not like to go into the whole

1533
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,480
thing i was i was actually trained by

1534
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,880
somebody who worked for mi6

1535
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:27,119
about 11 years ago so

1536
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:28,079
they were

1537
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,400
and um

1538
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,160
it was it took about six months for me

1539
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,359
to train

1540
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,119
so i was using coordinated remote

1541
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,599
viewing and also scientific reviewing

1542
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,880
and going through the phases and stuff

1543
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,480
but i've worked with others as well and

1544
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,400
it's not an individual thing i mean it

1545
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,400
is if i'm working a case but it's not an

1546
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,200
individual thing if i'm giving a project

1547
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,119
to where we're going through all the the

1548
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,079
phases and then we come up with with a

1549
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,400
conclusion but uh

1550
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,760
you're right though many people don't

1551
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,440
like to talk about it and i'm fascinated

1552
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,440
when i hear theories that these things

1553
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,280
show up that people who are actually

1554
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,720
remotely i you know i my phrase for and

1555
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:08,480
i don't know if remy's i told amy this

1556
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,920
before but i call it astral perception

1557
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,799
as far as what i call remote viewing

1558
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,720
right because i i think the thing is

1559
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,319
with remote viewing it can be done

1560
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,960
either way where you're you are astral

1561
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,040
projecting but there's a lot of psychics

1562
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,480
out there that don't actually project

1563
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:26,960
out of their body to astral to promote

1564
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:29,920
you you use it through your psycho esp

1565
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,040
your your third eye where you link into

1566
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,520
a place and you're able to view it but

1567
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,079
you never leave your physical body to be

1568
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,160
able to do so so i call it more of a

1569
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:42,960
natural projection into a space to read

1570
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,520
the energy of a place but some remote

1571
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,760
viewing can actually be done when you

1572
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,200
never leave your home you never leave

1573
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:51,040
your body you're just able to

1574
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,119
psychically link into a place

1575
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,200
and i would actually you know i i agree

1576
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,280
with uh with amy on this in fact i would

1577
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,920
i would suggest uh and i try again just

1578
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,599
for sake of

1579
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,520
creating you know a better understanding

1580
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:07,119
of things i tend to view remote viewing

1581
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,720
as different from astral projection

1582
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:11,119
because we're you know once you leave

1583
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,480
your body i think you are astral

1584
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:13,520
projecting

1585
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,680
correct i call it just for perception uh

1586
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,400
yeah it's kind of a play on words but it

1587
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,559
kind of describes what i feel like that

1588
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,480
i'm actually going through when i do it

1589
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,319
well and that's why i would suggest that

1590
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,640
you know remote viewing again to your

1591
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,200
ask for perception but i think that

1592
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,680
remote viewing is different from astral

1593
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,119
projection i think these are two very

1594
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,400
different things yeah um and in

1595
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,920
they both come with their own unique

1596
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,319
dangers their own uh you know side

1597
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,680
effects if you will

1598
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:45,119
but yeah i would say i would suggest

1599
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,480
there is that there that is a distinct

1600
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,920
difference between the two techniques

1601
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,319
and the two practices is that one you

1602
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,640
are perceiving something when you are

1603
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,559
actively your your consciousness is

1604
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:56,079
leaving your body you are traveling

1605
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,280
somewhere else

1606
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,920
um and so those are two that that i

1607
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:01,280
would argue that's a significant

1608
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,990
let me ask you this um now this is

1609
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:10,319
something that i've experienced while

1610
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,599
rving

1611
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:13,520
uh if i'm in if i'm doing a haunting

1612
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,520
case or actually

1613
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,760
uh an attachment case

1614
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,599
and i'm trying to do spirit rescue with

1615
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,280
it and it's to some degree but i'm

1616
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:23,280
trying to really find out what's causing

1617
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,240
issues

1618
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,160
with the the client

1619
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,119
is that i had been psychically attacked

1620
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,039
twice very

1621
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,720
very badly

1622
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,640
i mean one time i had a very long

1623
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,200
laceration go right down down my chest

1624
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,960
that was somewhat deep

1625
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:40,160
and i

1626
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,039
uh

1627
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,280
literally broke a rib one time on my

1628
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,039
right side

1629
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,480
uh

1630
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,240
actually you know doing it doing you

1631
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,280
know doing one of these rvs

1632
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,119
have any of you ever experienced any

1633
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:55,039
type of psychic

1634
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,119
attack or injury because of what you do

1635
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:01,119
no

1636
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:09,670
i have never had an actual

1637
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,960
physical scratch or bruise

1638
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,240
i have

1639
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,280
had a psychic and spiritual attack where

1640
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,920
they've jumped into my subconscious into

1641
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,280
my dreams

1642
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,680
uh been to my body

1643
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,480
many many times i've had them jump into

1644
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:28,880
my face try to choke me over and over

1645
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,160
again try to blind me try to rape me

1646
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,480
try to suffocate me in some way i've

1647
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,000
been attacked

1648
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,240
for at least 20 years

1649
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,960
of different entities different go

1650
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,960
different psychic attacks

1651
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,640
they they see a woman and they think oh

1652
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:46,720
she's vulnerable well it just made me

1653
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,599
stronger but as far as getting an actual

1654
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,599
scratch i haven't seen that but i've

1655
01:03:56,829 --> 01:03:54,000
seen quite a bit of people who have

1656
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:56,839
and when i see it's usually three

1657
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,240
marks down their body and when i see the

1658
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,280
three marks i know it's not human

1659
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:06,160
let's actually attack them in some way

1660
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:07,599
there's a lot of

1661
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,160
skin that come well

1662
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,039
so i've seen it all i'm just grateful

1663
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,000
that i haven't been attacked in that way

1664
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:23,599
i can say the other way is plenty

1665
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:26,480
you know i can't i can't count on all my

1666
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,440
hands

1667
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,000
how many in my toes how many

1668
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,160
clients who have and especially if

1669
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:34,240
they're taking showers

1670
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,039
have had the three scratches

1671
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,359
that happen on their back

1672
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:41,760
i mean it's something about a bathroom i

1673
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,079
think i think because of the water in

1674
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:47,119
the bathroom there's some type of energy

1675
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:48,240
thing there

1676
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,640
but it seems like these these scratches

1677
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:54,960
manifest on these people

1678
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:57,599
while they're in the bathroom

1679
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:00,480
i don't know sorry it seems weird but

1680
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,440
i think it's the mirror actually yeah

1681
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,230
yeah yeah they're very good very good

1682
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,559
with that one yeah definitely the mirror

1683
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,119
the reflection well water is actually a

1684
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:16,960
reflective source

1685
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,880
so they're actually using water as a

1686
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,200
reflection for water is also a conduit

1687
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,920
of electromagnetic energy that spirits

1688
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,359
are using

1689
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:27,599
to help manifest and then you have the

1690
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,480
person naked which provides the enticing

1691
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,400
appeal for something of a lower level

1692
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,799
frequency trying to come in and actually

1693
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:36,720
physically attack them so you have all

1694
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,599
three

1695
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,599
kind of buying into one so it just makes

1696
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,960
the perfect

1697
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,799
scenario for someone to get attacked i

1698
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,680
don't want people thinking they're going

1699
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,280
to get attacked in the bathroom tonight

1700
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,440
because of that reason but i want people

1701
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:49,520
to be aware of whatever they're bringing

1702
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,319
in if they feel being that they're being

1703
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,039
threatened in some way stop the water

1704
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,119
get some clothes on say a prayer raise

1705
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:59,039
your frequency know how to protect

1706
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,559
yourself if something like that's going

1707
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,240
to happen

1708
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,400
yeah what something we again most people

1709
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,799
well most people just don't know um is

1710
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:07,760
that

1711
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,559
the very earliest forms of scrying uh

1712
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:14,480
where again mirrors were very very

1713
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,760
difficult to come by they would use uh

1714
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,839
flat silver dishes

1715
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,079
right and they would use a very thin

1716
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,799
layer of water it would create a mirror

1717
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:25,599
so

1718
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,720
again

1719
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,880
honestly mirrors are one of the more

1720
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,480
dangerous from a supernatural

1721
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:32,880
perspective uh items people have in

1722
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,079
their homes yeah and i agree with that

1723
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,000
into again both of your points i mean

1724
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,280
the three scratches actually uh bob our

1725
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,359
our producer recently had

1726
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,960
a very you know had those three

1727
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,920
scratches hit him while uh he tex and

1728
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,400
randy were at the hill house

1729
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:52,400
out here in mineral wells the and it

1730
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,280
just

1731
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,559
straight across

1732
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,839
um

1733
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:58,240
and it's one of those things where that

1734
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,680
i don't think that's a coincidence you

1735
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:01,599
know the fact that we're seeing three

1736
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,960
scratches

1737
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:04,720
along people i mean it's a very very

1738
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,119
common phenomena and again to amy's

1739
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,480
point i agree i don't think you're

1740
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:09,599
dealing with

1741
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:12,079
human soul in fact

1742
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,200
a lot of

1743
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:15,359
things if they physically manifest i

1744
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:16,400
just don't think you're dealing with a

1745
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:17,280
human

1746
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,880
i think you're dealing with uh with

1747
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,280
again i have no problem calling them a

1748
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,720
demon i think you're dealing with

1749
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,359
something that is malevolent now again

1750
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:27,599
can we is do we have to hold open the

1751
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,880
possibility

1752
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,559
that this is again like we were talking

1753
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:31,760
about maybe

1754
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:34,640
some of these dark occultists uh

1755
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,799
using some sort of ability maybe i don't

1756
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:39,039
think we can rule that out but my my

1757
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,480
instinct on that is that we are dealing

1758
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,240
with something like a demon and the the

1759
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,559
three i think is a very important

1760
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,559
aspect to this right that you're dealing

1761
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,319
with a claw you're not dealing with a

1762
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,319
hand

1763
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,039
or the mocking of the trinity right

1764
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,119
right that that's definitely that is

1765
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:57,200
absolutely uh

1766
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,720
i think something you could say but

1767
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,359
again instinctively i'm thinking more

1768
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,000
i for again in i have no reason to this

1769
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,400
beyond this is just my head

1770
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:09,760
is is a bird claw right just it's we're

1771
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,359
dealing with claws right birds have

1772
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:15,039
uh three you know unless you're dealing

1773
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,480
with the parrot uh you know three

1774
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,159
forward-facing

1775
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,040
uh you know toes so i i just for

1776
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,000
whatever reason it just reeks of bird

1777
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,839
symbology and considering the connection

1778
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,880
between

1779
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,640
owls and

1780
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,719
the demonic realm

1781
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,199
all throughout human history

1782
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,199
i just my brain makes that connection

1783
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:36,640
it's like maybe there's more to that

1784
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,430
uh i got a question for you

1785
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,510
go ahead

1786
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,159
well i'm just you know if you're going

1787
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,239
to the claws you can be actually tapping

1788
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,480
into more order of the phoenix

1789
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,560
which is actually in a cult the demonic

1790
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,759
group

1791
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,920
that's connected to the elite

1792
01:09:02,550 --> 01:08:59,600
and they may actually be using

1793
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,560
manifested entities

1794
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:04,560
that are actually

1795
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:05,839
people

1796
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,239
i've actually also the reptilians

1797
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,799
come in with hallmarks as well

1798
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,799
but they usually like to invade the host

1799
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,400
and feed off their energy until they

1800
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,080
commit suicide

1801
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,839
usually the order of the phoenix come in

1802
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,640
with claw marks just to um

1803
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,159
antagonize

1804
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:24,880
in some way um and and to

1805
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,839
create physical harm i've seen that a

1806
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,839
lot as well i'm just well maybe i'm

1807
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,120
alluding to the order of the phoenix

1808
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,799
with the claw marks with the

1809
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,400
with the bird that would be very

1810
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:36,719
interesting

1811
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,520
um

1812
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,359
james west asks about and i'm getting

1813
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,520
others asking too what are your and i'm

1814
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:43,040
going to ask the group as a whole

1815
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,040
whoever jumps in first what are your

1816
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,759
opinions of the gin

1817
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,000
trickster spirits you know that i mean

1818
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,080
they're in every culture

1819
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:54,719
you have pan you have you know gin you

1820
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,159
have all these you know

1821
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:00,960
these trickster spirits that like and

1822
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:03,480
feed off chaos or being

1823
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,600
mischievous and you know

1824
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,080
they're in every culture if if if you

1825
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,040
look it up there's a trickster spirit in

1826
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:14,640
every

1827
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:19,270
yeah i mean

1828
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,080
it's the it's the shahadeem of the

1829
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,000
hebrew it's the

1830
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,239
it's the seders the fawns the greeks and

1831
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,719
the romans it's the leshi of the of the

1832
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:33,520
uh you know indo-russians

1833
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,880
uh we goat man i mean you you you go

1834
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,239
throughout yeah you go throughout

1835
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,199
history

1836
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,920
you see these creatures these you know

1837
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,679
gin what they're all this they're all

1838
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,040
the same thing these are all different

1839
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:46,880
names for the same

1840
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,840
supernatural creatures and they're not

1841
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,679
they are of a much higher order i mean

1842
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,040
they do they can take physical form

1843
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,080
you know i and i generally honestly i

1844
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,480
think we in brown springs we're dealing

1845
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,960
there's a creature probably of that

1846
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,320
order

1847
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,320
uh that makes its home there

1848
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,920
it you know we've

1849
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,960
just with the things that we've

1850
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,120
encountered it's these are very very

1851
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,600
powerful often and if not almost

1852
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:14,880
exclusively

1853
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,920
malevolent and they will kill

1854
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,760
you know through through various and

1855
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,280
sundry means

1856
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,800
but the simple fact of the matter is jen

1857
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,480
is just another name for this i think

1858
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,000
this is one and this is one of those

1859
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:28,080
things that we we tend to

1860
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,040
actually was talking about this just the

1861
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:31,840
other day on our show um

1862
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,199
we often use words and and give things

1863
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:37,040
names and we think well because this

1864
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,480
name is different from this name we're

1865
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,800
talking about two different things

1866
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,880
no oftentimes we're just that's just a

1867
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:44,800
nate that is just a name given to a

1868
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,360
phenomena by one culture

1869
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,360
all these cultures are having the same

1870
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,920
experiences and they're giving them

1871
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,000
names if you take that broader step back

1872
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,000
and just say where what's the venn

1873
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,880
diagram look like right when you start

1874
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:01,120
looking at what people actually

1875
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,480
encounter not

1876
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,800
i don't discount lore but i don't rely

1877
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,640
exclusively on more because oftentimes

1878
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,320
there's more associated to it but you

1879
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:10,880
just say what do people actually observe

1880
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,679
right

1881
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,520
you start noticing that venn diagram

1882
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,199
between a lot of these things start

1883
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,760
overlapping a little too much for my

1884
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,960
taste

1885
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,000
and i think

1886
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,440
i think what we often think are

1887
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,360
differings you know all these different

1888
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,880
things are actually maybe the same

1889
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,080
phenomena

1890
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,640
it just looks different you know the the

1891
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,400
physical thing or the thing that people

1892
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,239
see or the names that are given it

1893
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:33,600
they're different but it's the exact

1894
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:41,110
anybody else

1895
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,790
no i think that what they said was was

1896
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,360
spot on with that it really comes down

1897
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,000
to the uh the perception

1898
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,600
of the culture

1899
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:51,120
and again

1900
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:54,480
uh entities will shape-shift into a form

1901
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,840
that is well suited for that culture and

1902
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,840
that religion and they will play off of

1903
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,040
the fears

1904
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,040
of that culture and religion and will

1905
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,120
shape-shift into whatever is necessary

1906
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:07,920
to provoke a response of fear

1907
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:11,760
so i think that i they're all the same

1908
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,560
um

1909
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,560
dark entity source

1910
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:16,480
i think they just move throughout

1911
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,040
various uh perceptions and illustrations

1912
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:24,800
of form to be able to uh

1913
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:28,159
be the best and most appropriate form of

1914
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,560
fear for that culture in that region

1915
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,719
and well and also i think one and again

1916
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,719
completely agree with amy but to take it

1917
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,719
one step further i also think that when

1918
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:40,400
they do take

1919
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,920
in the same culture they'll take

1920
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,920
different forms because i think the

1921
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,760
chaos is the point

1922
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,440
one of the things we talked we one of

1923
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,520
the theories we're exploring on on our

1924
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,480
channel

1925
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,760
um

1926
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:53,920
we you know let me start with there is

1927
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,640
there's enough evidence i would argue to

1928
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,080
to support the theory that there is a

1929
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,239
physical bigfoot that it's a natural

1930
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,120
creature just wants to be left alone

1931
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:04,800
but then you have some of these other

1932
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,120
some of the other phenomena right

1933
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,080
in which you're we're witnessing clearly

1934
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,800
paranormal and supernatural events

1935
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,400
the thing is

1936
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,400
the question that we've come to ask is

1937
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,840
okay again that overlapping venn diagram

1938
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,520
we have phenomena over here looks like

1939
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,760
it's a giant bird person dancing on top

1940
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:25,679
of a well on top of a

1941
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,280
a water well in texas over here the

1942
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,520
thing looks like a lot of little trolls

1943
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,199
gathering around somebody's car over

1944
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,280
here it looks like bigfoot over here it

1945
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,920
looks like a long thin

1946
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,560
spindly creature

1947
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,120
but the but the actual associated

1948
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,360
phenomena is all identical what people

1949
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,679
actually see and observe and are not

1950
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,800
what the creature looks like but what

1951
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,040
happens to them the phenomenon is all

1952
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,520
the same phenomena i would suggest these

1953
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,440
things are going out of their way

1954
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,320
sometimes to hide as natural

1955
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:00,480
enigmatic creatures to hide their

1956
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,520
movements and even appear as

1957
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,600
a rake or a wendigo or whatever you want

1958
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,040
to call it

1959
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,040
to create confusion

1960
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:11,120
right i think i think we often forget

1961
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:12,320
that sometimes

1962
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:16,159
confusion can be in chaos is the goal

1963
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,960
right

1964
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,560
so that we

1965
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,040
we we're as beings we tend to we it's

1966
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,960
easy for us to lose the forest for the

1967
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,719
trees

1968
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,960
and i think so much of you can

1969
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,719
we're dealing again trickster spirits to

1970
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,800
richard's point so much of these things

1971
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,239
are trickster spirits

1972
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,239
they don't want us to understand the

1973
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,760
bigger picture to see what they're

1974
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,520
actually doing how they're actually

1975
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,360
operating so we get caught up with well

1976
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,280
is this a windigo or was this a skin

1977
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,040
walker or was this a

1978
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,239
you know etc etc etc we get caught up in

1979
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,480
these not saying hold on take a fifty

1980
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,400
thousand foot view we're seeing the

1981
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,800
exact same things or the things that are

1982
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:55,440
happening to the people are identical

1983
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,320
yeah

1984
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,840
why it doesn't matter what they're

1985
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:59,600
seeing if these things can take whatever

1986
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,400
form they want they're they want that

1987
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,920
confusion

1988
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:05,760
as part of what they're doing

1989
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,470
let me put this out there to y'all and i

1990
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,159
i don't know if any of you heard me talk

1991
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,239
about this before

1992
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:18,960
but you know in what i do and i've been

1993
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,000
involved with a lot of um

1994
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,080
non-terrestrial

1995
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,480
situations and abductions and such and

1996
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,080
that encounters

1997
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,159
and a lot of that has been

1998
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:31,760
people i've talked to and been involved

1999
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:35,040
with with uh abductions

2000
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:35,920
um

2001
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:40,800
universal

2002
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,760
species in other words

2003
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,400
i think the humanoid form is something

2004
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,960
that we see all the time

2005
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,040
even if these these beings that come

2006
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:52,719
back to us

2007
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,679
that humans see are actually evolved

2008
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,800
humans

2009
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,360
coming back from the future or coming

2010
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,040
able to come back and

2011
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,239
and manifest themselves to us now saying

2012
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:05,840
that

2013
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:10,870
abductions

2014
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,960
just maybe to a larger even smaller

2015
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,239
degree

2016
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,239
i believe through people i have talked

2017
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:22,159
to experiencers

2018
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:26,159
that they have gotten the impression

2019
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:30,000
that they've been abducted

2020
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:31,440
in order

2021
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:36,880
to find

2022
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:41,520
ours or attain our soul in other words

2023
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,270
see themselves

2024
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:50,960
beyond death

2025
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:53,920
and that humans

2026
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,400
believe and i'd say most humans believe

2027
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:59,040
there is some type of form of life after

2028
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,159
death

2029
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,000
and i think they're somewhat jealous of

2030
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:04,960
that maybe it's something they once had

2031
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,560
and are trying to find again

2032
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:10,719
what are your thoughts on that and

2033
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,350
well okay so this is i'll i'll jump in

2034
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,719
on this because i think

2035
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,159
this is where we'll definitely have at

2036
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,360
least we can cr we can end the love fest

2037
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,199
and have and have some and get some

2038
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,920
wrestling done here okay um

2039
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,800
so

2040
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,960
let me start again let me put a couple

2041
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,960
cards on the table just so we're you

2042
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:34,480
know not

2043
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,360
you got to put all the cards in the

2044
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,480
table so

2045
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:38,719
just have an easier conversation

2046
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,679
ufo abduction phenomena i do think

2047
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:44,239
the government you know has a hand in

2048
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,600
this right

2049
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,760
so let's let's so let's take that

2050
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,880
dod

2051
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:51,120
government psyop stuff let's that's on

2052
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,320
the table let's put it out of the way

2053
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,400
that's not what we're talking about

2054
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,239
i do think that there is a physical

2055
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,440
aspect to the to the whole abduction

2056
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,600
phenomena and the ufo phenomena

2057
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,840
uh actual physical p you know beings in

2058
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:05,600
physical craft so that's on the table

2059
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,960
and then i think there is again

2060
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,120
higher spiritual beings that are part of

2061
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,880
the phenomena as well

2062
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:15,120
i so before we get back to the physical

2063
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,880
and start with the with the

2064
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,120
you know the higher spiritual one

2065
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,600
i am not convinced that every abduction

2066
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,840
is actually someone physically being

2067
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,400
taken from where they were to or where

2068
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,840
they are to someplace else and then

2069
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,520
brought back

2070
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,280
i think there's sufficient evidence that

2071
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:33,679
that again we couldn't know what the

2072
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,960
percentage is but that a percentage of

2073
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,040
these encounters are actually almost

2074
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,159
exclusively psychic even events

2075
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:43,920
not hallucinations

2076
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:46,960
but it's happening on a spiritual level

2077
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,280
right and again i think these creatures

2078
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,320
are presenting themselves as

2079
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,800
quote-unquote grays or aliens or

2080
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,199
insectoids to hide and mask what they

2081
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,040
are and what they are doing

2082
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,360
on the physical component there is a

2083
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,280
physical component there are physical

2084
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,679
beings physically taking people and

2085
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,840
removing them and performing experiments

2086
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,280
etc

2087
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,199
i am not convinced that they are

2088
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,320
beings from another planet i i think

2089
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:15,920
they probably are something more akin to

2090
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,800
nephilim i think that they are

2091
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,679
i think that there is a higher agenda of

2092
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:23,440
again going back to what we said earlier

2093
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,840
of chaos of confusion

2094
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:27,679
and i think they're trying to hide their

2095
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:29,199
their true

2096
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:33,760
i think they are i think they have

2097
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,960
an agenda that that is all their own i'm

2098
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,639
not convinced

2099
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,560
that when we have these communications

2100
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,840
like well this is what we want and this

2101
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,920
is what we're doing i i think it's all

2102
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,600
propaganda at that point

2103
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,199
i think they are they're

2104
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:48,719
these creatures are going out of their

2105
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,600
way to deliberately confuse

2106
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,840
uh what they're doing to get people on

2107
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:56,800
their own side so that we don't again we

2108
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:59,280
don't see them for what they really are

2109
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,719
um

2110
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:02,080
from the physical perspective and i

2111
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,440
don't think that and i think that these

2112
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,440
physical beings these spiritual beings

2113
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,440
these supernatural beings are i think

2114
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,199
they're on the same side

2115
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,880
i think what they're just two different

2116
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,440
they're two different hands of the same

2117
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,520
of the same agenda and part of that is

2118
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,440
confusion and chaos

2119
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:19,440
because they have it because they have

2120
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,880
an agenda to

2121
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,080
cause

2122
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:24,480
us humans

2123
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,910
anybody else

2124
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:34,870
come on

2125
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:37,360
so hard to save people

2126
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:39,650
and jason

2127
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,310
there are so many species

2128
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,639
that we're speaking of

2129
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,880
if if you're looking at the um

2130
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:52,960
at a higher consciousness

2131
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:55,280
if you're able to tune into it we have

2132
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,639
roughly hundreds of species of aliens

2133
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,880
that are irradiating around

2134
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,440
our world at this very moment

2135
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:05,679
not just one species but hundreds of

2136
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,960
them that are there and i think they are

2137
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,280
abducting people for various wrinklings

2138
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,280
and i think some are malevolent i think

2139
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,639
some aren't

2140
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,679
um all i can say is an experience that i

2141
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,639
had

2142
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,639
that really

2143
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,159
upset me

2144
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,440
because i feel very responsible for the

2145
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,840
transition of souls uh because of the

2146
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:29,520
rescue work i do

2147
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:30,400
my

2148
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,840
guides took me into a meditation

2149
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:36,000
and in this meditation

2150
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,760
they showed me a death process where i

2151
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,920
actually jumped out of my body

2152
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,400
and i started moving towards the light

2153
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:44,719
well instead of moving in the light i

2154
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:47,600
moved into a spaceship

2155
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,080
and in this spaceship i

2156
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:52,880
walk through this huge bishop looked

2157
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,199
very metallic

2158
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,440
and i looked around and i saw

2159
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:59,840
these um pods

2160
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:02,159
with souls in them

2161
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,600
and i'm like looking and i heard they

2162
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:06,000
were being recalibrated stripped of all

2163
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,199
their memory

2164
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,199
and then they were going to be

2165
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:11,840
circulating back into the human race and

2166
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:16,400
aliens were now going to be their god

2167
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,679
so

2168
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:20,239
i wasn't happy with that when i saw that

2169
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,199
i never in my life thought that aliens

2170
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:25,600
would conduct souls

2171
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,400
to

2172
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,679
actually

2173
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,400
replace god and i've been reading a lot

2174
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:31,760
more lately

2175
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,239
about how certain alien beings are

2176
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:38,880
trying to go more with technology to

2177
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:41,920
become creators themselves that they're

2178
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:43,840
actually using souls

2179
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:44,639
to

2180
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,600
their own souls

2181
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,440
for their own bodies

2182
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,800
for the future

2183
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,239
and i think they're

2184
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,320
they're uh kidnapping

2185
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,000
souls at this point i never would have

2186
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,480
believed it so my guide showed that and

2187
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:04,639
they brought me back into my body and

2188
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,159
from then on i have been um trying to

2189
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,800
find out more information about this uh

2190
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,480
recycling of souls where they're

2191
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,639
actually not going into the light

2192
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,560
they're actually going into a spaceship

2193
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,199
and they're being recalibrated

2194
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,199
instead

2195
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,440
i thought that was very interesting

2196
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:25,199
interesting

2197
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,080
then you get in astronauts i mean you

2198
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,639
get into that theory what what if these

2199
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,600
aliens are our gods

2200
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:35,440
i mean with ancient

2201
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,080
astronaut theorists and

2202
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,239
um looking at egypt looking at all these

2203
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,400
different places and these

2204
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,600
depictions of you know

2205
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:46,800
looking up

2206
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:51,760
were coming down and giving knowledge

2207
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,639
and

2208
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,239
um

2209
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,639
the pyramids and and

2210
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,560
and all this stuff they probably were

2211
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:01,440
intervening with our existence from the

2212
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,790
and actually i said this on uh last

2213
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,199
night's uh show

2214
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,159
if you were to set me in giorgio suclose

2215
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,000
at a table

2216
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,560
we would agree on this statement

2217
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,840
the

2218
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:19,520
ufos

2219
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:24,840
beings that inhabit them

2220
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:29,440
today are the same as the

2221
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,199
lowercase gods and angels and demons of

2222
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,120
the ancient world

2223
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,719
we would that they are one in the same

2224
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:39,199
phenomena we would agree

2225
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,870
he would say we were wrong in the

2226
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,560
ancient world and we're right today that

2227
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,480
they're ufos i would argue that we are

2228
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,080
wrong today that they are aliens from

2229
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:51,920
another planet and that they we were

2230
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:54,320
right the first go-round

2231
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,120
and

2232
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,199
okay i don't pull this card very often

2233
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:59,120
at all because

2234
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,719
i don't like arguments from authority or

2235
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:02,400
anything like that

2236
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:03,440
i

2237
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,880
there's you you cannot show you can't

2238
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:24,800
find the wrong thing or if you do you

2239
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:27,600
better find out a way to hide what you

2240
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,639
did

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01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:30,239
in a formal way

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01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,600
and the thing is a lot of ancient alien

2243
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,440
are arguments for the you know ancient

2244
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,400
alien stuff tend to be done out of an

2245
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,639
ignorance of actually how people lived

2246
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,960
thousands of years ago and just ignorant

2247
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:45,120
of the technology that they had

2248
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:46,080
however

2249
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:47,360
the thing is

2250
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,719
we do see commonalities the giving of

2251
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,400
knowledge right

2252
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,440
that they that we do see massive leaps

2253
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:57,280
in technology that aren't really

2254
01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:59,840
attributable to human to natural human

2255
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,120
development

2256
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:03,440
and so but the thing is they all said

2257
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,880
hey we were talking to these

2258
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,040
supernatural beings

2259
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:09,440
oftentimes you know and we're like no no

2260
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,400
they didn't know what they were talking

2261
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:12,320
to we know what they're talking to

2262
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:15,040
because we have this phenomena here

2263
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,560
i would just suggest perhaps this

2264
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,760
phenomenon is hiding itself as this

2265
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:21,280
so we don't see them for who and what

2266
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:23,199
they are because again it's that venn

2267
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,159
diagram right it's the overlapping of

2268
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,520
phenomena

2269
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,920
that starts getting a little sketchy

2270
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,600
where you're like okay

2271
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,159
if you're you're okay so you're orc from

2272
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:35,920
from vulcan and you're coming here to

2273
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,760
check us out great uh why is there

2274
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,040
all this

2275
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:43,040
shadow people and

2276
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,159
uh

2277
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,800
in poltergeist phenomena associated with

2278
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:48,719
people you abduct

2279
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,920
right it's like again it's missing time

2280
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,520
things that are tradition that are just

2281
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,719
straight up

2282
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,239
you you know traditionally you know

2283
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,239
textbook ufo stuff

2284
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,320
why do we see it with these other again

2285
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,639
other creatures like trolls or bird

2286
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:05,840
people or sasquatch or ghost hunters

2287
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,880
yeah elves ghost countries it's like at

2288
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,840
a certain point you're like hold up

2289
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,000
if these things don't if these things

2290
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,679
over here we know they're shape shifters

2291
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,280
and these things

2292
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,040
it's like hi i'm your friend from

2293
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,880
another planet how do i know you're not

2294
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:22,080
lying to me

2295
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:23,760
anything that can talk to you can lie to

2296
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:24,480
you

2297
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,719
right i mean let's face it humans we

2298
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,120
love lying right

2299
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:31,679
uh that's that's just what we are i

2300
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,760
i just take that i just like saying hey

2301
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:35,120
before we make up our minds on things

2302
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:36,719
let's just take that broader step back

2303
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,679
and say what do we actually observe

2304
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:41,120
what do we actually see done because

2305
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,480
let's face it if you're

2306
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,000
if you're from planet vulcan and you're

2307
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,639
like let's go hang out with the humans

2308
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,719
why not get it's like you could give us

2309
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,480
certain things i don't think you'd give

2310
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:52,800
a caveman a computer it wouldn't mean

2311
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,920
anything to him he wouldn't be able to

2312
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,120
recreate it

2313
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,520
but there's other things that you could

2314
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,520
do if that was what you're trying to do

2315
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,440
instead some of the development makes a

2316
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,960
little bit more sense if you have a

2317
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:03,840
different

2318
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:08,800
just not convinced that our little grey

2319
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:11,120
buddies here are what they claim to be

2320
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,800
and jacques valley agrees with me he

2321
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,800
disagrees with me and what they are

2322
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,719
but jacques valet was like whatever

2323
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,719
these things are they aren't what

2324
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,280
they're presenting themselves as these

2325
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,600
are two different things uh nick redfern

2326
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,760
has uh several books on

2327
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,920
again you can you can take here to leave

2328
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,760
it uh you know anything that goes with

2329
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:31,360
the government i'm like

2330
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,960
you always have to throw disinformation

2331
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,440
in there into that into the mix but that

2332
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:38,080
there are government agencies and say

2333
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,760
hey we've been doing things to

2334
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:41,760
communicate with these creatures

2335
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:44,800
that are straight up babylonian sumerian

2336
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:47,760
texts that they appear as

2337
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,560
again in as non-corporeal

2338
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:52,320
beings and they're communicating with

2339
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,440
them it's like you know

2340
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,760
maybe we should you know again let's

2341
01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,360
take these things seriously it was

2342
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,080
alistair crowley himself who said today

2343
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,760
we call them angels and demons tomorrow

2344
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,679
we will call them something else and the

2345
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,679
being he called lamb

2346
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,520
the thing he explicitly said was a b was

2347
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:12,239
a demon that gave him the old enochian

2348
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:15,600
magics uh the people who practice uh his

2349
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,960
version of uh theophany now or theosophy

2350
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:20,800
um i'm a text and i never pronounced

2351
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:22,719
anything correctly

2352
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:25,360
they say that lamb is actually a species

2353
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,239
of telepathic uh aliens

2354
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,520
so his own his own statement came true

2355
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,600
so i'm just less convinced that these

2356
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:35,280
things are what they are presenting

2357
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,629
okay well let's i'll tell you let's uh i

2358
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:44,719
want to thank you all for coming on and

2359
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,679
before we go i want each one of you

2360
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,920
to uh tell the audience how you can get

2361
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:51,840
in contact they can get in contact with

2362
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,480
you any project you got coming up

2363
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:56,239
and uh anything else you want to talk

2364
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:58,480
about books or whatever so go ahead

2365
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,600
richard

2366
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:01,679
well you can find out more information

2367
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,280
if you log on to my website

2368
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,120
richardmichella.com

2369
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:08,000
i got a lot of stuff on there facebook

2370
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,360
youtube

2371
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:11,600
um i got a few more books that are that

2372
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:14,719
will be coming out spirit seeker spirit

2373
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:17,280
journey and extraterrestrials in the

2374
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,639
hudson valley um those are my next three

2375
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,400
projects that will be dropping i'm very

2376
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:24,480
excited about them

2377
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:26,000
and on my website again richard

2378
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:28,480
michelle.com you could

2379
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:31,280
uh you can send me a message i do the

2380
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,719
spirit art and i do it for no charge

2381
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,480
um and

2382
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:39,040
it's a great experience where you know i

2383
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:39,920
could

2384
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:42,159
possibly try to connect with some

2385
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:45,040
someone that you have in spirit so check

2386
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:47,040
it out

2387
01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:55,430
on my website uh amy major.com i make it

2388
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,000
really hard to find me no and they can

2389
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,800
find me on the uh facebook facebook i'm

2390
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:02,880
all over the place i'm refusing to do

2391
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,639
the tick tock thing i'm trying doing it

2392
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:06,719
but you know i'm old

2393
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,199
you're better off trust me

2394
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,280
please no i can't do it

2395
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,000
i am working on my third book

2396
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:15,840
which is released to light which is

2397
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:18,400
actually a manual for people to help

2398
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:21,040
clear themselves of all uh attachments

2399
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:23,120
manifested and intelligent

2400
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,880
and i'm hoping that will come out by the

2401
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,040
end of the year i do have my new spread

2402
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,639
to talk

2403
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:30,880
where i interview other specialists in

2404
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,840
the spirit rescue and hunting

2405
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,239
phenomenon in the communities

2406
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:38,320
i am also teaching

2407
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:41,360
very soon in about two weeks a rescue

2408
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:43,760
mediumship certification course it's a

2409
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:44,639
zoom

2410
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:47,120
online event it's a 12-week course where

2411
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,280
you actually receive certification

2412
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,360
in rescue mediumship it's beginner

2413
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:53,520
intermediate and advanced

2414
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,360
so you do get to become a certified

2415
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:56,960
rescue medium at the end of the course

2416
01:33:01,750 --> 01:33:00,480
so i'm really looking forward to that

2417
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:01,760
jason

2418
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:04,320
um honestly there's two

2419
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,040
i'm i'm the idiot who can't say no

2420
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,600
um so i've got too many things to say

2421
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:11,520
easiest way would be you can go to texas

2422
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,760
front porch tex apostrophe s front porch

2423
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:15,760
on youtube or you can go to ceru papers

2424
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,360
siru papers

2425
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:19,920
on youtube i do have a website uh again

2426
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:22,639
cereal papers siru sirupers.com

2427
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,280
that's links to everything and

2428
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,719
yeah it's the easiest way to find me

2429
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:28,800
seru papers

2430
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,360
and bernadette

2431
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:33,440
you can find me here with you for a

2432
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,080
while now and then i'm going to be

2433
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:38,639
branching out onto my own i'm still with

2434
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:45,830
yeah she uh bernadette is with fam

2435
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,159
zamasu's 14 research and it's been a

2436
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,239
pleasure to have her on there her

2437
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,440
boyfriend both joined the team and um

2438
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,360
yeah so i expect a lot out of her she's

2439
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:57,199
got her own show coming up paranormal

2440
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,639
life so

2441
01:34:02,229 --> 01:34:00,800
it should be interesting so folks thanks

2442
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:02,239
for coming on tonight i really

2443
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,960
appreciate it and i think we got a lot

2444
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,040
of subjects cover and i hope everybody

2445
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:09,280
was entertained by it and learned a few

2446
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:11,120
things as well so you all take it easy

2447
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:14,000
and i have a great weekend thank you i

2448
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:15,760
appreciate your service

2449
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,390
now if you have a sighting or encounter

2450
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:26,480
report that you'd like to be considered

2451
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,280
for the personal report show or even

2452
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:30,960
post to the families of monsters feel

2453
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:33,120
free to forward to my email

2454
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:36,880
at lon strickler familymasters.com

2455
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,280
and you have an unexplained encounter

2456
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,119
sighting feel free to contact me through

2457
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:44,000
the fans monsters blog site as well

2458
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:44,880
and

2459
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:48,719
you know like i said during the show uh

2460
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,480
we have a group fans matches 14 research

2461
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,119
we do uh we do cases individual mostly

2462
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,560
cryptid but in some spirit cases some

2463
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:00,880
hauntings and some other

2464
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:03,679
uh attachments we will get involved if

2465
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:04,400
you

2466
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,600
if uh

2467
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:07,840
we think then there's a need for it so

2468
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,400
uh just contact me through there

2469
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,920
i want to again thank my guests tonight

2470
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,440
for joining me this evening and thanks

2471
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,040
to each and all of you for watching and

2472
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,600
chatting if you made a donation it's

2473
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:19,760
very much appreciated

2474
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:22,960
again please like subscribe and share

2475
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,800
and please leave a comment it's very

2476
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:26,239
much appreciated we want to know what

2477
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,520
you have to say uh

2478
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:31,760
so next friday night

2479
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,000
i welcome back ufo and paranormal

2480
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:36,159
investigator preston dennett to phantoms

2481
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:38,560
monsters radio should be an interesting

2482
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,600
show so make sure you tune in so until

2483
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:44,159
next week stay healthy and have a safe